Atheism–“Who do you turn to?”

Mar 16, 2013

Anti Atheist wrote:

explain to you . you must be kidding. it is a matter of faith and as we all know you do not believe in that
let me ask you a qustion. if you were standing at the bedside of your critically ill son whose life hangs in the balance who do you turn to?
i think we have answered your question

I would turn to the trained medical professionals who have spent years being educated in the science of medicine. They would be the only "who" to whom I could turn because imaginary invisible beings, being ethereal, do not qualify as a “who”.

Assuming I were in your position and believed in an all knowing god.  Logically, that god would already know if my son were going to live or die. That god would have already decided if it were going to intervene and save my son, regardless of my how much I asked that god to intervene. Praying to that god is therefore pointless.

Assuming my son were ill and assuming that I worshiped a god which actually existed, why would that being allow my son to become critically ill in the first place? Assuming that god created everything that exists, why would he have created pathogens that are constantly try to kill us or given us bodies capable of forming terminal cancers? Is god just a child with an ant farm? Does he toy with us and place us in circumstances to see if we will turn to him as you do?

Is God willing to prevent my sons suffering, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then why is my son suffering? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why would I call him God?

When you assert an all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present god that created everything in existence it makes no sense whatsoever to turn to that being for things like critical illness.  That being is ultimately responsible for creating the problem in the first place.  That being knew when created everything that the person for whom you are praying would be in that very position and apparently decided to do nothing to prevent it.

Now, there is no doubt a psychological effect which may reduce the stress of dealing with a loved one the verge of death.  It may make you feel better to convince yourself that a magic sky wizard can intercede on your behalf and save your loved one from dying.  However just because something makes you feel better does not make it true.  In fact I would argue that it could possibly make things worse because you will inevitably have cases where the loved one dies in spite of dozens of people praying that they live.  How do you explain that?  Did god not care? Was he busy?  The most common answer I have heard is that the death was just part of gods plan. Well if that’s true and god is going to do whatever the hell he wants to do anyways, then why the fuck even bother praying in the first place?

Humans get sick, some die, it’s a fact of life. It wasn’t until a few centuries ago that science began give us the tools needed to do something to prevent some of those deaths. So you can do what our ignorant superstitious ancestors did before the advent of medical science if you like and you think it makes you feel better, but make no mistake. The only thing that will actually do anything meaningful to save the life of a sick or injured family member are the actions of well trained men and women who have attained enough knowledge to diagnose the problem and set about fixing it with the tools of science.

Anti Atheist wrote:

at first i thought i might apologize but since you constantly have to insult the side that believes in faith i wont. sorry ass christain aren’t i

What you mean to says is that at first thought you might apologize but since your religiously motivated hatred for those who refuse to accept your claims is so strong you will not.
You still cannot distinguish ridicule of the belief from ridicule of the person. You might avoid feeling so falsely insulted if you could start to manage that.
Don’t let your conscious bother you to much.  I know your angst is motivated by your religious indoctrination, it doesn’t bother me.

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