DOES ANY ONE KNOW IF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE A RULE OR BAN AGAINST HIRING ATHEISTS. IT WOULD SEEM THEY SHOULD BECAUSE I CAN ENVISION OTHER OFFICERS BEING UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND THEM AND NOT TRUSTING THEM IN A SITUATION THAT MAY INVOLVE COVER MY BACK.
IT WOULD ALSO SEEM THAT AN ATHEIST OFFICER COULD NOT DEAL WITH MANY OF THE CRISIS SITUATIONS THEY ENCOUNTER. FOR EXAMPLE. THERE IS A VERY BAD AUTO ACCIDENT AND SEVERAL PEOPLE INJURED BADLY ONE OF WHOM IS NEAR DEATH.
HOW WOULD THIS OFFICER RESPOND IF SOMEONE ASKED HIM TO PRAY WITH US.
LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS. LETS HAVE SOME COMMENTS
Was it your intent to appear to be yelling your post or did you miss the lesson in school with regard to capitalization?
FYI: Any policy discriminating against someone based upon their religious preference would be a violation of standing federal laws.
What entertained me more were the fatuous examples you gave in support of religious discrimination. Let’s look at these.
Reason 1) Other officers would be uncomfortable around them and not trust them in certain situations.
Funny how that same excuse was used back when ignorant people didn’t want blacks hired as cops but that was TOTALLY different you would say. Other than this being a projection of how you feel onto everyone else, people are hired for jobs based upon their ability and prior work experience; not for the sole reason that they happen to agree with your mythological beliefs. Some people are uncomfortable around those of a different ethnicity; we call these people racist and recognize that how they feel is the result of ignorance and fear. You are uncomfortable around people who do not dabble in the fantasy role-playing of Christianity; we call people like you religious bigots because how you feel is likewise a result of ignorance and fear.
Reason 2) AN ATHEIST OFFICER COULD NOT DEAL WITH MANY OF THE CRISIS SITUATIONS THEY ENCOUNTER.
And you know this how? The fact is you don’t. Non-belief in some Santa Clause for grown-ups does not preclude one from possessing empathy or acting courageously. Let us address your absurd example of praying at an accident where someone is near death. A religious person like you might well pray, all the while doing jack shit for the injured person while they lay dying in a mangled car. While you are praying, the officer who understands that incantations and laying-on of hands is pointless, would be assisting with things that actually matter, like stabilizing the victim’s neck, ensuring an open airway, preventing excess blood loss; you know, the kind of medically proven shit that actually saves lives.
This doesn’t mean you can’t hold hands and stand around talking to yourself with your eyes closes, just stay out the way and let the professionals do their job. Don’t worry, we understand that after the person makes a full recovery you’ll forget about the Fire/Rescue team and EMTs that busted their ass to keep the victim alive and simply claim that Jesus did it all because, after all, that’s what you asked him to do isn’t it?
Finally, your question isn’t legitimate, it is an ignorant question posed by a bigoted ignorant person. I pity you enough to give a legitimate answer but only because I wish to expose your bigotry.
AC Man wrote:
There is an old saying around these parts: If the shoe fits wear it. Are you not anti-religion, anti-bible, anti -jesus therefore anti- christ.
Direct answer to your question would be Damn right you are the anti-christ.
Even if someone were anti-Jesus that does not make them anti-Christ, you have yet to provide a single iota of evidence that the man Jesus was anointed by any deity. The Jews and Muslims certainly do not think he was the son of any god. Also there is a distinction between holding a position of being anti-Christ and being the actual supernatural boogeyman written about to scare ignorant adults into not asking questions.
Anti-religion, sure in the sense that I’m against any system which demands the surrender of reason and the freedom of thought in favor of blind obedience to the scripture of a single book.
Which brings us to being anti-bible. I’m against any book which claims to be written or inspired by a deity and above questioning. I’m against any book which commands the reader to execute people practicing a competing religion or for being a homosexual. I’m against a any book which claims that righteousness comes from one’s own willingness to murder their own child in the name of god or that one must accept without evidence that some god had his own child murdered on my behalf.
I can’t say I’m entirely anti-Jesus. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, “Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.”
Lastly. “May it be to the world, what I believe it will be,(to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)
Working for the Lord wrote:
The men who wrote the bible were men used by God to put down what God wanted us to know. It’s accepted historically that the resurrection must of happened because of the eyewitnesses which included skeptics, people who were the enemy of Jesus and those who were his friends and the apostles themselves. Jews did not believe in a resurrected Jesus, they believed in an earthly kingdom. The apostles believed beyond all predisposed facts of the Jewish belief, and were even willing to die for him. The miracles and exorcism helped to confirm who he said he was.
Working for the Lord,
“The men who wrote the bible were men used by God” <- Bare assertion fallacy
“It’s accepted historically that the resurrection must of happened” <- False attribution fallacy
“eyewitnesses which included skeptics” <- Who are these “skeptics” and what is your source?
“were even willing to die for him” <- Thousands of people have been willing to die for multiple religions, that does not make them true.
“The miracles and exorcism helped to confirm who he said he was.” – Circular reasoning. The Bible says miracles occurred and we should believe this because it is in the Bible. It is written that Mohammad performed over 1000 miracles. Does this confirm that he was the true prophet of god? No. Does this confirm that Islam is the one true faith? No.
Working for the Lord wrote:
Life as we know it happens only to be approx. 11,000 years old. If you count the genealogies of the beginig of ceation to now this is what you will come up with, not millions or billions.
You base your belief that life began 11,000 years ago on the genealogies of the bible, so how does your Bible account for fossils?
Were all the craters on the moon created in the past 11,000 years?
There is a satellite galaxy next to our Milky Way called The Large Magellanic Cloud. This collection of stars is around 160,000 light-years away from us and yet we can see it with the naked eye from the southern hemisphere. If everything was kicked off 11,000 years ago then we shouldn’t see the light from this dwarf galaxy for another 149,000 years, and yet we do.
The closest spiral galaxy like ours, Andromeda, is 2.5 million light-years away and we can see it.
In 2009 astronomers spotted the most distant object yet confirmed in the universe – a self-destructing star that exploded 13.1 billion light years from Earth. It detonated just 630 million years after the big bang, around the end of the cosmic “dark ages”, when the first stars and galaxies were lighting up space. To gauge the object’s distance, astronomers measure how much the object’s light has been stretched, or reddened, by the expansion of space. That burst had a redshift of 8.2, more distant than the previous GRB record holder, which lay at a redshift of 6.7.
I can continue to give you a mountain of evidence which shows beyond a doubt that we live in a cosmos Billions of years old. The ignorant superstitious men who wrote your bible had no way of knowing what we now know. They had no clue about physics or biology or chemistry. YOUR BIBLE IS DEAD WRONG. I’m sorry to break it to you but so long as you continue to persist in stultifying nonsense and superstition you will never know that reality is far more amazing than made up stories of the bible.
We are not the center of all things -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzKZb3qHyXk
Working for the Lord wrote:
Atheist uses tools like science and the thought that when you die you simply cease to exsist, so no need to worry about judgment day when one dies, clever but wrong.
WTF does this even mean? Atheism says nothing about what happens when you die. This is just another example of your complete misunderstanding of what you are trying to attack.
Speaking for myself, I would have to say that there is no evidence which points to an afterlife (magical religious books are not evidence). We know that what we perceive as consciousness depends upon chemical processes within a physical brain. We know this because we can alter our perceptions and consciousness by altering the chemicals in our brain. There is no evidence or proposed method whereby consciousness can continue in the absence of a living brain. Essentially when your body and brain die, you’re gone as well. Now don’t fret over that fact, you won’t know you are dead. You won’t know anything in fact because knowing requires a brain in the first place. Imagine what it was like for the 13 billion years before you were born, you didn’t exist then and you will return to that after you die.
The idea of consciousness beyond physical death is a novel idea. Who wouldn’t love to fly around as a ghost and screw with the living? I for one would get the hell off this planet and explore the galaxy. I’d love to see the massive black hole at the center of our galaxy, witness a supernova up close, or the birth of new star. But alas, just because I think the idea sounds nice and perhaps dislike the idea of having a limited existence, I refuse to lie to myself and pretend that I know I will become immortal after I die. If you call that clever then I guess I’m clever. At least I’m not deluded.