Your the one stressing. I’m happy with my faith. You on the other hand and many atheist love to tilt at windmills regarding God and people that have faith. It’s just funny to me and others that have faith to watch as you and other “freethinkers” wage a war against those of us that have a belief in God. If you really don’t care to believe in God then that’s fine with me. That’s your choice. I have atheist friends and I’m fine with , as you call it, your non faith or anti-thoughts on the subject of faith and God. I’m not angry but it seems that any mention of God angers you. Seek help for you anger issues. You want me to prove to you that God exist. Well my friend, the burden of that falls on you to prove he doesn’t exist. I’ve had a personal experience with God. Looks like you haven’t and never will because you chose to rebel against God. You are not a freethinker. Your close minded. Live your life and I’ll live mine.

BY: Anonymous @ http://www.topix.com/forum/city/bolivar-tn/TDNC86HDSUMH6RHB9/post8

Dear Writer,

I am the one stressing, you say.  What statement of mine was that meant to counter?  I never claimed you were unhappy with your faith; almost everyone who lives under a religious delusion makes such claims.  I could easily assert that I am happy not having faith but that fact is not a valid reason to hold the position.  People are “happy” to convince themselves of untrue things all the time.  The claim that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the claim that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding about the issue and your use of hyperbole in claiming that anyone is “waging war” against your imaginary friend is dishonest.  Nobody is waging anything of the sort.  Keep in mind that I am not the one preaching that should you continue diluting yourself you will be tortured forever after you die; nor am I discriminating against you for your religious beliefs; nor am I the one calling for your rights to be denied because you believe in mythical beings.  I am simply asking a public question of your public claims.  Where is your evidence, where is your reasoned argument?  Our position is elegantly summed by the following.

“We have heard talk enough.  We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear.  We have read your Bible and the works of your best minds.  We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential amens.  All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little fact.  We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your moldy wonders and your stale miracles.  We want this year’s fact.  We ask only one.  Give us one fact for charity.  Your miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years.” R.G. Ingersoll

So you really don’t mind – it’s fine with you – that I do not believe in (g)ods; it’s my choice you say.  Well thank you ever so much for the permission to do something that I had every right to do in the first place.  What on earth would I do without your divine permission to dismiss your magical claims?  Oh, I guess I would be writing this regardless.  I do not require permission to debunk your credulous claims, to parody your magical book, and to explain how the preachment of your religion are evil and a direct threat to the survival of a free society.

I never claimed you were angry, let us get that straw man out of the way once and for all.  We may also do away with the silliness of the idea that I am angry with YOUR god.  It would be irrational to be angry with that which is unsubstantiated.  The mention of (g)ods is not what angers me; if you insist upon calling it anger.  What frustrates and therefore motivates me to donate my time is the knowledge that you and others have willingly surrendered the most precious thing you have as a human being, your reason.  You have willingly given your mind over to wish-thinking, superstition, and claims that so long as you remain gullible, so long as you do not think for yourself and merely do as you’re told by all the self-appointed holy men, you will be rewarded with eternal bliss after you die; and that you do such a wasteful and disgusting thing based upon no evidence at all.  Your parents and religious peers simply tell you to believe something and you go right along without so much as batting an eye.

I am not asking you to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt; but damn, you have given nothing even hinting that your claims are true.  Your assertion that the burden of that falls on me is just factually incorrect.  The philosophic burden of proof is the obligation of the party (you) asserting the claim (gods are real).  If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic (me), the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed.  Sadly, your religion has been based upon a fallacious appeal to ignorance since it was founded by Saul of Tarsus.

Your claim of having had a personal experience with God is a fallacious self-referential appeal to authority.  I could claim to have personally ridden upon the winged horse Pegasus but just claiming it is not evidence.  I have not, and have no reason to think that you have, spoken with any such being.  I am not rebelling against YOUR god as YOUR god is unsubstantiated.  I am rebelling against the mind forged tyranny to which you have willingly subjected yourself and would wish to impose upon me.

Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of science, logic, and reason, and should not be influenced by authority, tradition, or other dogmas.  I am in fact a free thinker, words have meaning, please learn them and stop attempting to arbitrarily define them yourself.  I am not closed minded because by definition I form my views based upon logic and reason, which require one to study evidence.  I have studied my former, and your current, religion and found its claims to have no basis in fact but rather hearsay and legends.  If you wish to present something new then I am your witness and will examine it completely.  You are dishonestly using the label “close minded” simply because I have not reached the same conclusion as you and refuse to just “take your word for it.”